@Gaurav yeah I remember the camp wall in CE2, it wasn’t nearly as extensive as what we’re seeing here on CE3. As far as SGC/AT goes, to claim that its ridiculous people are complaining now purely because they didn’t complain back then is misleading. For one, people did complain, because no matter who is employing them, camp walls are always a boring mechanic. However, the SGC/AT war didn’t happen with 1500 ticks left in the era, and diplomacy hadn’t devolved into what it is now. So to claim that there is hypocrisy here and that somehow negates my argument is incorrect, as the situations were simply not the same.
@Yaz sure, you’re totally right - it was at least in part our decisions that led us to a position that a win is pretty unlikely. However, that doesn’t change the fact that to be criticized in a fairly aggressive manner by members of the Asia coalition is ironic. As far as the unfairness factor, I’m not certain I agree that allowing the era to play out to its fullest extent possible rather than end things with no resolution makes anything “rigged”. That would imply that NA coalition has no chance of simply being the victor in a military contest, which is simply not true. They have just as much a chance as anyone else. However, I do recognize the issue of the people who joined on the assumption that it would end after 4k ticks and all of a sudden feeling like they no longer have the ability to continue playing were it to extend past that. It is an issue, and I’m not entirely certain there’s any reasonable way to address it were any changes to be implemented. However, like any other issue, it would simply need to be weighed against the downsides of ending the era with no definitive conclusion.
For the record, everyone here is an adult, or at least close to, and should be responsible for their own mental wellbeing. Its absurd to claim that people who want the era to play out are doing so due to not caring about other people’s healths.
This should go without saying, but apparently it doesn’t, so I’ll lay it out plain as day for anyone unsure of their priorities:
this is a VIDEO GAME. We play it for FUN, and at the end of the day, IT DOES NOT MATTER. If you are feeling like your mental health is struggling due to involvement here, PLEASE do yourself a favor and take a step back and stop playing. Games have a habit of becoming addictive, but at the end of the day you are the only one who can take care of yourself. If you find that you’re no longer having fun, stop logging in. Your team will forgive you, I promise.
And it evolved like so partially due to the tick limit. If the tick limit really is such a time crunch, why wasn’t the push seen to completion? You should’ve been REAL warriors and completely crushed your enemies to assert dominance and establish that you’re the best of the best (since that’s the metric some of your side has been using).
Tfw when even the pineapple doesn’t support scummy moves.
This here is where your argument completely falls aparts. It’s not that the camp wall is a broken mechanic or a fundamental flaw. It’s being complained about now because the camp walls that now exist are against YOUR interests. Your diplomacy or how many ticks left is what is causing this argument to be brought forth by your side.
Edit: The camp wall on CE2 filled all of South Asia and Indonesia. There was almost a 24 tick gap formed btwn Aussi and Asia. So again nothing new btwn CE2 and CE3. The camp wall had to be dealt with then, as camp walls will have to be deal with now. It was quite obvious from the first 1000 ticks that walls were built and would continue to be built. Each coalition should have taken these into consideration when strategizing their path to victory.
I see what you mean but that is just your way of letting the era play out to its fullest extent. The era can be played to its fullest extent within the tick limit because that’s the time limit for the era.
The problem is that arguments for extending the tick limit are all about making CE3 an epic last era that has to be fought till the end. This is not the only way to win an era. Like Gaurav pointed out before there is no one way to win an era in BD. So why should the era be extended based on one side’s view of deciding the winner. When playing by the tick limit is a perfectly viable strategy and gets them the win.
That’s why when it comes to weighing the arguments for both sides I think that there is no chance that one view of how a CE3 win should look like would be enough to overlook the unfairness and bias. That being said I think this whole debate is pointless to be honest, I think there is no way Alex will agree to the rules being changed I’m just posting my view cos I feel like it lol.
If they extend the tick limits I am going to write a big forum post on how corrupt the owner of this game is with actual proofs on what happened. Then hini might be dead I guess…
I frankly disagree that my bias makes my argument invalid haha. You’re right, of course. I am biased. So are you, which is probably a pretty good percentage of why you’re so against the idea. However, to pretend the argument is invalid simply because a bias exists fails to properly address the merits of said argument. That seems to be the issue with a lot of people on these forums; everyone is simply attacking each other or accusing the other of bias, rather than actually making an argument based on facts.
So on that note, thank you @Yaz for so far being one of the very few to actually argue a point lol. I’m not certain I agree that “multiple ways to win BD” is a fair argument when it comes to what is theoretically the last hurrah of the game. Sure, there’s multiple ways to win in a normal era, but this isn’t a normal era.
What do you mean by ‘no definitive conclusion’? It was stated in big captions that the team with most relics by the end would win the era irrespective of score. Winning criteria has been quite clear since the start.
If one alliance successfully captured 5 relics, relics that were evenly dropped across the map unopposed then they must have done something right compared to someone who only managed to capture one relic that too due to two teams backstabbing Asia.
And if you believe military conquest is the only way to win then what is your definition of military conquest? Do you think you would be doing so good against asia if not for your number advantage? Dont get me wrong, it is the oldest strategy to outnumber your enemy but so is avoiding conflict
If one team has 5 relics and you feel you are better, go fight them and prove your mettle, dont cry about time limit.
Full Disclosure - I am playing on asia side and i will feel cheated by the system if time limit was removed and I am sure it wont be.
There have been multiple people make arguments based on facts that have been ignored, by even you. The point you just responded to of Yaz is something I wrote multiple times now and have been ignored by you and others. So don’t come and say my bias is the only reason I am against the idea.
Now in regards to this not being a normal era, the 4 core tenants of this game don’t change era by era. It’s what this game is and has been for 13 years. You find one way to win the best, and others find different ways to win the best. No one has the RIGHT way. If there was only one way to win, this game wouldn’t have survived for as long as it has.
@G To be fair, I didn’t say its the only reason, I simply meant that bias usually sets people on a particular side of an argument, and then they use evidence available to them to argue that side. Everyone does it, myself included. It wasn’t supposed to be an insult haha.
If you posted the same thing Yaz did earlier, then you made a good point! I didn’t take the time to read every post above mine, so I probably missed it. Sorry that I didn’t notice!
I really don’t understand you ppl. Use your brain a bit. The era extension benefits everyone but NA coalition. CE is actually won because you HINI, AT, Asia, did not do your politics right. Did not take the right decisions. We must all admit, N played smarter than all of you and he deserves the win. Just because you guys war for the wrong reasons.
I would vote for Off/Wind/Valu in favour of the era extension hopping you rest get some brain whats the right thing to do for our team and not for your personal egos. I m seriously disappointed on everyone’s politics on CE.
Plenty of people wont be able to continue CE if an extension is introduced.I can atleast speak for my own team (BD2). It will even demotivate us to play till 4000 and you might see people quitting sooner than 4000 ticks because of RL not ego.And saying that its their fault is absurd, CE was advertised to be 4000 ticks long thus we joined. Many might not have played and put their money in if not for a time limit.
Just like anything, time is a resource and unlike metal/oil, it doesn’t replenish if people failed at their time management/politics then its on them, let N win as they did best on that front, why should that be stolen from them?
Dude when is your perm ban expiring? Genuinely curious
EDIT : For the record I dont think ticks should be extended. IT will be horribly unfair to NA . And its not like ATOM hasn’t fought or anything. They just diploed smartly .
Though ofcourse Zeus is something else entirely…
I think everyone can agree that the camp mechanism has become completely abusive to this game. It does two things:
A - Makes the camp holders wanna hang themselves for refreshing hundreds of squads movements twice a day
B - Makes the attackers want to sit themselves to death since there are almost 0 options to battle
CE, and especially the last CE of this version, should imho reflect of the real goal of this game - dominate the world. I think that most can agree that the combination of a tick limit and the camps mechanism creates a negative reflection of the game and how its actually designed to be played. We have seen almost 0 big battles, not because everyone are keeping safe, but merely because there are almost no options to create threats on the enemy.
I dont think the reason another version of the game is coming out should shadow over how the game is beign preceived - and right now, the majority of the players are tired of this game not because of its intensity, but because it is tedious. Especially when you feel you have no way to affect the end game because of such abuses. So in my opition deciding on a tick limit because another version is coming out just doesnt do well with the game.
So my final opinion is actually mixed- I would like to see the era being fated by mechanisms that overpower the abusive mechanisms in terms of user experience. However tbh Ive had pretty much enough with all the tediousness so maybe even shorten the tick limit to 3k and get it over with?? We all know how this is going to end by now if tick limit is not extended.
Everyone knew 4k ticks and made strategies tick 1, cuase people stuffed up and did stupid choices doesnt mean they should extend era, the win condition was set in stone and the tick limit when you planted, you cant decide to play for any other goal but winning and then realise oh shit not nuff time to win lets extend,
my personal opinion is the only people against turtling are those that have 50-100 people working for them and it comes across as :how dare you come up with valid working solutions to counter me and not let yourself die to 1000 suicides and overwhelming numbers.
I do firmly belive that alex said currently it is impossible to extend and era after the admins set initial tick limit ( i believe this waa addressed when they put the code in allowing eras to automatically freeze when relics hit 100 CT instead of having and admin have to log and manyally end era.
I could be wrong with my last point thou
I like your post 120% if it wasnt Covid i wouldnt be here - and if my work was running again i would stop playing the game - i already gave a lot of my time to BD and still w8 CE to ends and while i spend a lot of time in here its not like i m not thinking everyday if should just stop and go away because my irl right now isnt normal even without work mostly cause of BD.
