I don’t think even the launch of BD2 is a worthy reason to make the CE timed. ESPECIALLY since the medals are going to carry over… Do we really want the first champions of BD2 to not have earned it?
Even if it managed to drag on SO long that BD 2 is actually running, the worst case scenario is some top players letting noobs rule an era before we come crash the party 
An improper finish to BD 1 is the worst way to start BD 2… imo
I respect your opinion, and of course I agree that I wouldn’t like the winners to be decided by camping themselves and sitting. But the management made a decision based on their plans and what they thought was appropriate, so like you said the tick limit should have been removed before the era started. But right now there is no way that a team playing by the rules should have their strategy completely ruined half way through the era by a rule change.
It sucks for some yeah but it’s part of the game and they are playing it how they want to. If people don’t like it then they shouldn’t be here trying to change the rules in an unfair way, they should be doing what they can in the game to prevent those people from winning. And I think every coalition has considered the tick limit and the win heading in NAs direction and yet decided to proceed like this anyway. So it is their decision that ultimately gives NA the win in my opinion.
The rules of the FINAL match of the LAST series which is a key point you seem to have glossed over.
Hard disagree because I don’t see a team that far ahead right now and there is much more than 30 seconds, but once again, this why I think community input is important. If an extension were possible, then admins shouldn’t make it because THEY think it would benefit or disadvantage a side.
Yes, that is exactly what I’m doing. This is the last Championship Era as far as I’m aware which is a key point in why I think changing the rules should be allowed.
Please stop making assumptions like this. I am not speaking as member of HINI coalition or SHIP or any team. I am trying to make my argument as a player who has spent too long playing this game and doesn’t wish to see it’s final big era end in what I would consider a disappointing way. If you can’t accept that as the truth, then I have nothing more to say to you.
As for a “current winner”, that isn’t for you to decide being an admin, hence the community vote.
I don’t either and nowhere have I suggested such, in fact I’m against unlimited ticks myself which is why I keep saying extension.
The rules were made based on a poll voted by the community, a poll in which the highest tick option available was voted with a majority, so I don’t understand why the same can’t be done again.
To be clear, I am trying to argue that a tick extension be seriously considered and not thrown away as forum complaining. My personal vote would be for an extension, which is a separate argument.
I would consider a poll made by a current admin of CE, win or lose, or if management were to come out and say it conflicted with their business roadmap or something as an extension being impossible.
Also, can we please move away from the basketball analogy. Trying to compare the nuance of BD with basketball is a pain.
I don’t understand what part of no you don’t understand. You are harassing the admins, because you were told no.
The rules were made and therefore the rules will stand.
I do think “harassing the admins” and “having a discussion” are completely different things. If I remember correctly, this is a community oriented game, Malice chose to respond to the community, and the community has the ability to respond to Malice.
This is a forum, dedicated to the topic of an extension of CE. This topic is very much involving the admins, it would be bizarre to not talk to them.
Telling the community, they are “harassing the admins” in a discussion isn’t really healthy for the community and undermines the concept of transparency between players and administration.
It’s a forum, let the discussion happen.
So tell me if I’m wrong about any of this since I wasn’t around BD at the time all the voting happened. But this is the series of events I have heard of and researched so far.
1: CE was announced and a tick poll was created. The winner of this poll was 4000 ticks (61% of 66). The post starts off with Alex saying
2: Milan made a poll about whether to have a tick limit or not like a day after the official one and the winner was no tick limit with 73% (of 15) of the vote. Now I’m curious to see where the “popular demand” for a tick limit is.
3: Now that the era has been underway for quite some time, due to the staff overruling the community’s wishes, there is unrest in the community because the era is likely going to end in literally the worst and most boring way possible. This was predicted by many that wanted no tick limit by the way. We want the era to actually end in a fun and exciting way and are encouraging you to actually change the rules to what a majority of the community wanted anyway.
4: Suddenly now it requires 100% of the community to agree to this? It took less than a third of the community to let you guys claim “popular demand” before the era started.
If there is actually a link that supports the “popular demand” comment that Alex made please show me. I wasn’t able to find it while I was looking through the forums and typing up this post.
There is even a comment on the poll that suggests the popular opinions were either no tick limit or 2.5k ticks. If that is true, and then 61% chose 4K ticks, I’d say that’s even more evidence that no tick limit would’ve likely been the “popular demand”
I’m going to go off Josh’s NBA analogy. This is the equivalent of having a tie game at the end of regulation in game 7 of the Finals and giving the championship to the team that had an individual player with the most points scored. Rather than going into overtime until a team comes out on top.
I’m not playing the era anymore but here’s my 2 cents:
I’m absolutely opposed to an extension for many reasons, but I don’t think that flaming those who want one is necessarily a correct response to have.
I have definitely been on the opposite end of an era extension. E1 A1 NC we were turtling AA and managed to scare Kane with very old agents that forced him to slow his assault on our hive. We had also combined relics and score with the remnants of Redwurm’s alliance and I think it was a coinflip for rank 1 alliance at the time. (I can’t remember honestly.)
Anyways, Kane lobbied for an extension on the era so that the war could be finished out, we were opposed to it since we merged the alliance in order to compete vs Kane on score not on skill. Kane got his way, our alliance could no longer fight back on him since the guys we had weren’t good at the game… so we lost out. It killed a lot of our motivation for the game and I think most of the players involved on my side didn’t play for awhile after. I’ve also been on the side to where I needed an era extension in order to win the game and didn’t get it.
E4 A2 of OC when I was playing in BYZ we survived an onslaught from NA coalition in Turkey, came back and tried to invade NA before they could reorganize their alliances… they managed to do it and took rank 1 off of score. That’s how BD is sometimes though. Sometimes the better alliance doesn’t win because the rules are the way the rules are. We all accepted the rules prior to placing on the server and competing for it. Tick limit should be upheld. I don’t want people to feel the pain I felt in E1 A1 NC, and I want people to accept the pain like I did in E4 A2 OC.
I understand why people would feel pressured to asking for a tick limit change due to game conditions, but I don’t think there was any actual malicious intent out of those asking for it. I think that any alliance with a surviving army from this point on still has a legitimate shot at winning the era. In CE2 by this time we were at the EXACT same scenario with KCA coalition. We were at their colonies and at some weird point diplomatically to where no one knew what would happen, and I personally set off the powder keg to the next stage of the era. A lot happened, and things quickly changed.
You must not look at the era statically. Camp walls fail, and they fail very abruptly. There has never been a camp wall in the history of this game that ACTUALLY got methodically slow pushed through and through. No, that’s not how this game works. BD is very morale-based. Once people start realizing that their defensive wall is NOT working mistakes happen all over the place.
Think back to the Australia invasion earlier in this game. YNV had a MASSIVE campwall and everyone thought on both sides that it could be maintained for days. That campwall fell in 8 hrs due to a slip of a camp clearing and allowing an op spot. Think back to where HINI and SA hit AA’s campwall and were slow pushing then suddenly AA accounts got banned and a colony joining Pepe + some camps clearing due to people not paying attention broke through a massive chunk of that AA campwall.
Everything happens DYNAMICALLY. You cannot analyze a situation with a static perspective because you will be wrong. Once you pull your head out of the static mindset you will find true stratagems.
It’s very silly for people to feel pressured into wanting a tick limit based on game conditions, and given the ruleset that we all planted on the server and agreed to by compliance, suck it up buttercup and play some Battle Dawn.
I love how you are saying majority of the community by citing a poll that was taken by 15 people lol, ever wondered why so few took that? Maybe most of us were fine with a tick limit??
And what about people who joined the era because there is a time limit? Should we just throw them under the bus.
Btw who says the era is boring? Its quite fun, If you look at the forum we get many good brs every now and then, now if you expect people to mindlessly crash their armies into unreasonable battle just so we could have big brs, that wont happen.
Fair, I guess. But 66 people is also not the entire community. But even if it is 40 of them wanted 4K. who knows what percentage of them would’ve voted for no limit if it was even an option.
Also Milan’s poll was cut short, I believe. So probably not all 66 people would’ve been able to vote before he ended it. 73% is still a significant number. Especially on roughly 20% of the community based on the tick limit poll.
Also this has easily been one of the least fun eras I have ever played.
The popular demand was in terms of wanting a tick limit poll and not just having the company pick a tick limit themselves. Unlimited ticks was never an option as both the owner and ceo mentioned.
Popular demand was having a tick limit
poll that didn’t even contain the popular demand option because the staff and ceo decided to ignore the community. Yes all that was stated in my post, G
No offence intended to anyone here, but arguing for no tick limit comes across as desperate to me imo
If you cant win in 4k you cant win in 8k
Or 16k even.
Extending era limit would be a huge Fuck You to everyone who planned for 4k and has made smart tactical decisions to be winning at 4k (IE Neutron)
And not fair imo. here’s still half an era to go. It’s anybodies game. Go out there and take it instead of wasting time focusing on pipe dreams.
hahaha @_Abdulrafayyy nice one lol. Don’t worry Guderian he’s joking. But here’s the big reveal :
He’s actually replanted with Milan’s old account middle of the ocean and is now playing as his own coalition ( not as a team or a player)
Many of you are acting like this will be the last era ever. It will not be. It will be the final CE within BD1, yes, but not the last of BD in totality (except if we make the same kind of mistakes we did on CE2). Many of you seem to have forgotten that Michael was about 1 day away from literally cancelling CE2 and ending it immediately (around the tick 3500 time frame if i’m not mistaken). Luckily the community agreed to a hard stop at a later time frame, but CE2 was just a smidgen away from killing the game that I don’t think any of those currently advocating for extension/unlimited were even here for… Unlimited ticks was NEVER on the board for CE3. This was stated flat out at the VERY beginning. Everyone was honestly lucky to have even gotten to vote. The original time frame set for CE3 was 2500 ticks. Then it was decided we would let the community make a vote and popular vote would be done (within the limits we set up as mentioned above). If you read the topic with “unlimited ticks” poll, you will LITERALLY see that it was clearly stated it would NOT be an option.
We have not changed rules mid era in YEARS. This has been a fairly iron clad rule since Alex took over as CM. We’ve told people on countless era’s this exact thing many times. It’s NEVER fair to change rules mid game. It’s a complete slap in the face to anyone who was playing by the rules we set at the start.
I’m not making assumptions, I’m stating what it is you guys are asking of us (whether or not you think you are asking it). YOU are making a current assumption that this CE HAS to end in a bad scenario you won’t like right now (i.e. - a boring score win). You still have 1500 ticks (2 months) to prevent that from being a scenario. Why bother asking for an extension if there’s still “plenty of time”? Doesn’t that mean you have enough time? Am I supposed to greenlight unlimited extensions until everyone is satisfied? You have 4000 ticks to figure out your win strategies. You’ve only completed 2500 of it and asking for more? How much more do you think you absolutely need right now? Am i supposed to greenlight until tick 8000 right now? Double it when we barely made it past half the era? Perhaps you think 6000 is the right number?
I’m fine with having discussions. But the honest truth is, this ISN’T a discussion. It was stated on Feb 19th that it would NOT be up for discussion.
What i’ve been trying to help clarify is WHY it isn’t an option to go unlimited (or even to do an extension); IT IS UNFAIR TO ANYONE WHO MADE STRATEGIES/PLANS FOR 4000 TICK LIMIT TO CHANGE THE RULES MID ERA. Even if 99.9% of you said you wanted an extension, it is absolutely 100% unfair for us to pull the rug from underneath someone who did everything in their power to play within the rules we stated at the beginning of the era. And just based on this topic alone, I can say it looks much closer to a 50-50 for who wants an extension/unlimited era.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not tick 3800 right now. Teams have made plans for a 4000 tick limit and it’s not fair to suddenly make them change plans for a longer time frame. I DO NOT know diplomatic circumstances. For all I know, someone may have made a NAP with another team until tick 3500 knowing that they could hold that team off for 500 ticks (if they keep to their NAP). But maybe we change it to 4500 ticks. Now, they have to hold them for 1000 ticks. That’s not fair. They didn’t plan for that scenario and now have to revise. Maybe they try to go back and renegotiate and the team denies an extension. Maybe the team had every intention to betray in the first place. Regardless though, it doesn’t matter. The point is, folks made plans based on what we said were going to be the rules. And no matter how you look at it, it’s unfair to force those folks to change their strategy.
To everyone crying they need unlimited ticks. Here’s an idea. Stop running from every single big fight and hiding behind 30 tick camp walls. And maybe you’ll suddenly see that the best alliance will emerge naturally.
Crying that 5+ months is not enough to get 10 relics while at the same time running from every semi-balances battle is hypocrisy. Sorry but that’s the truth. I have played this game for the last 10 years and I NEVER needed more than 2500 ticks for a win or a clear loss. I won CE1 in under 2000 ticks.
So if you want a 10 relic win, take the big battles. Don’t be afraid to lose all army and rebuild. And if you can’t rebuild then accept the loss.
Otherwise at tick 4000 Many of you will Be sitting on 600 squads, lose anyway, and see everything deleted. Which is the worst way to lose squads in my view. Not using them
That’s it. CE3 will not be extended. If you want to win fight. If you want to sit and count your squads on your colony then do that. But don’t complain when you lose
Best,
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Let me correct you on this. “The ones crying they need unlimited ticks” are not the ones that are “hiding behind 30 tick camp walls”. The ones not able to kill the “ones hiding behind the walls” are the ones crying for it.
Well Atleast they are not farming multies or using 30 accounts Unlike a certain someone who was recently perma banned
Cheap shot, he was just correcting the guy lol
If CE gets extended, I vote for milan’s (ex?) girlfriend lawyer to make a case against gato
im kidding btw
Edit: For context, I was browsing the MANY posts made around the time tick limit was announced for CE2. And one very important point raised by most opponents was that they would be going back on their promise and false advertising. In fact, many raised this point as the primary point. Do we want them to do that yet again?