You misunderstood me. The planning is on the commanders and later they will brief the politicians ( president / ministers etc ).
What lead to commanders start doing war plans is the decisions that were taken by politicians ( of course they have advisors and some of them might be army involved ). But those decisions cannot be taken my army commanders.
You can possibly say no depending on the scale of order. We are talking of commands during war times i suppose right? Well as you are an army man i believe you know better that are certain actions that may happen that will be out of the box and obviously they arent going to be published ( in any war ).
Reasons always matter. If you talk from your personal perspective , i understand your point. But thats the issue here , when we discuss history its not to our personal perspective to judge how things unfolded or will unfold.
A fair point. Wars are started by political leaders. I did misunderstand you.
But even commanders can tell politicians no. Generally speaking however, the president will pick commanders that agree with him, so it wouldn’t happen often.
As for Hussein, we will just have to agree to disagree on that one, though I respect your outlook. I can admit to being biased because of personal experience. It is hard to not to be in my line of work.
Awww this is cute, you like to pretend things don’t make sense when you know you said something stupid. @Crusnik i think called you out already for the same thing?
War is black and white, you said that did you not? Denying atrocities in war would mean you are still evil by that black & white logic, would it not? Could a Nation be ‘currently beautiful in culture’ if they are still morally evil? Nope, not by your own black & white logic.
And with that, enjoy continuing to show the community you are an American jingoistic hothead who prefers to try to insult instead of debating the topic at hand
Ahhh, I see the disagreement. I dont see myself a normal member of society. I dont take part in politics or voting, i stay out of the events that happen stateside. My role in society makes it wildly inappropriate for me to be involved.
As such I dont think those at home have anything to do with what happens overseas in combat zones. I see civilians and military as two distinct and entirely separate entities.
And I see this as a deliberate tactic by our own military-leaders/politicians to dehumanize the military and destigmatize killing another human. It’s much easier to think of another human as some foreign creature that must be destroyed. In the modern World, everything is incredibly connected which means all warfare is total warfare involving innocent civilians. We’re all humans and innately the same.
Its also easy to judge from behind a computer screen. Its really easy to judge when you’ve never seen a mother offer her child up as a sex slave to local police in exchange for heroin. I could sit here and spout off all of the horrible things I have seen people do that justify the things our military have done. But you wouldn’t believe most of them and those you did believe would be incomprehensible.
We may all be human, but we are not the same.
@Crusnik I appreciate your insight. Thanks for joining the conversation.
i dont recall anyone saying the axis weren’t that bad. it was people saying the allies weren’t that good either. thats when you jumped in and claimed the allies are innocent and would never do anything wrong
The thing about history, fellas, is that as time passes you tend to know more about what happened. It’s not revisionist, you caveman, it’s hindsight is 20/20.
I remember doing a research paper that required me to look at a ton of WW2 declassified information and both the ‘two atomic bombs weren’t necessary’ and the ‘The US knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked’ were both inside these very declassified docus. Look it up yourself if you think it’s so revisionist.
To clarify wholly, the declassified documents stated that the first atomic bomb brought Japan more than likely willing to accept unconditional surrender but we didn’t give them enough time to, before we dropped the second one. ( we know this because we cracked their encoding long long before this, and basically watched what they said ). The second being that the US did in fact know that the Japan was eyeing the base of Pearl Harbor AND had moved a fleet further into the pacific.
Also, my B on the ‘Clean Wehmarcht’, I didn’t think that even if a few participated it made the entire army guilty ( though historical records would show it’s at least a significant % of the whole )
By watching them we knew the military was going to overthrow Hirihito if he surrendered after the first bomb. Only after the second did they step down.
